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kbrowder
Joined: 01 Dec 2004 Posts: 21 Location: Cleveland, TN USA
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Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 9:39 am Post subject: Thanks for response |
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Hi Nunzio! Thank you for your e-mail response. Not many on the web are so freindly and diligent about their users.
What I am trying to do is add audio to our web site similar to your jukebox. I already have audio from a dropdown menu on our Front Page, but it is too cumbersome and I want something more classy.
What I want will be used for BOTH sermons (yes it's a religious site) and for music. They are in different parts of the web site.
I have been experimenting with some things and becoming frustrated because I don't have the coding expertise that I need even though I have been webmastering since 1994. With writing articles and acting as administrator/webmaster I haven't had time, and maybe I don't even have the grey matter, to master the coding that I need. (I'm pushing 73) .
Your offer of help is MOST gratifying!! Not many on the web will do that.
You can see what I've been trying to do at:
http://7times.org/podium/pulpit.shtml
This is make-shift and not exactly what I want but you can get the idea. I've mixed things together (some people call it cobbleing) trying to get something going even though I have some of it in the dropdown menu on the Front Page.
What I need:
The embedded audio player and list to open in a new window (as your jukebox does). I do NOT need the scrolling lyrics/speech)
It will be used for sermons, and also for the music room.
I would like it a little more glamorous than I have it now..
I need it to be easy to add to the list, or even take away from it.
I need it to be more stable than what I have now.
I have already made separate m3u files to stream the media, but would like to NOT have to make separate pages for that if there is a way around it.
There will be a mix of MP3 and WMA files to play in the PULPIT.
There will be REALAUDIO to play in the music room ( unless I decide to reencode the music fiiles to WMA or MP3 (big job).
Have I left anything out that you need to know?
Thanks for the offer of help, my friend. _________________ Ken Browder, Editor - The SevenTimes Newsletter -
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Nunzio Site Admin

Joined: 08 Aug 2003 Posts: 90 Location: Tharsis Ridge (Martian lowlands)
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Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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Hello Ken...
Okay. I think I have a pretty good understanding of what you want. I've worked out some coding and have a temp example sitting at my server that emulates the http://7times.org/podium/pulpit.shtml page that you linked to in your above post.
Here is the working example temp-uploaded to my server > http://nunzioweb.com/temp/kenbrowder/pulpit.shtml
Before I go any further let me know if that is what you wanted. Of course, certain links are incomplete due to the fact that you haven't completed things on your end yet, and I'm only referencing what already exists at your server, but that is to be expected.
In the meantime, I won't do anything more and will await your reply here in this thread.
Take care,
Nunzio _________________ Nunzio's Little Place On The Web
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Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Nunzio wrote: | Hello Ken...
Okay. I think I have a pretty good understanding of what you want. I've worked out some coding and have a temp example sitting at my server that emulates the http://7times.org/podium/pulpit.shtml page that you linked to in your above post.
Here is the working example temp-uploaded to my server > http://nunzioweb.com/temp/kenbrowder/pulpit.shtml
Before I go any further let me know if that is what you wanted. Of course, certain links are incomplete due to the fact that you haven't completed things on your end yet, and I'm only referencing what already exists at your server, but that is to be expected.
In the meantime, I won't do anything more and will await your reply here in this thread.
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That will work fine Nunzio! That is about what I was visualizing except for the background and I can take care of that.
How do I set it up here?
Ken |
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Nunzio Site Admin

Joined: 08 Aug 2003 Posts: 90 Location: Tharsis Ridge (Martian lowlands)
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Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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Very good, Ken
I'm glad that I hit on what you wanted on the first go around.
(I also see that you forgot to log in above and posted as a Guest, but that's okay)
Now, it'll take a bit of time to explain exactly what I did and then to ZIP up the necessary files for you to download from my server. I don't really have the time for that this evening but I'll do so tomorrow and then reply back here when done.
But there is one thing that bothered me that you mentioned in your very first post here, and I'd like to address that now. Please consider it friendly advice and nothing more. You stated this... | Quote: | | There will be REALAUDIO to play in the music room ( unless I decide to reencode the music fiiles to WMA or MP3 (big job). |
Ken, RealAudio is an absolutely horrible format for music (probably the worst). I think it's in your best interest to reencode the music files to MP3 (Lame). It's really not that big a job and I'll show you why right here.
Press the play button below and listen to the sound quality of the streaming .mp3 file that I reencoded/ converted directly from the existing RealAudio .rm file that is sitting at your server right now...
Anne Murray - You Needed Me [MP3 stream] |
Now, it did not take long at all for me to perform the file conversion. And I'm sure that you can hear the difference in sound quality. This conversion, although much better than the original .rm file, is still not ideal. What is ideal is to rip/ encode from the source CD directly to MP3 (Lame) format, providing of course that you have the source CD. In any event, I didn't and this is exactly what I did...
I downloaded your .rm file and opened it in Winamp (Full free version). *Note: The Tara plugin is necessary in order to play proprietary RealAudio files in Winamp. I then changed Winamp output from DirectSound to the Nullsoft Disk Writer (converts files from one format to another). I configured the Disk Writer to convert the .rm file to PCM wave format, 44100Hz, 16 bit stereo. That conversion took less than 20 seconds. I then used dBpowerAMP Music Converter to convert the WAV file to MP3 (Lame) CBR format, 192kbps, 44100Hz joint stereo. That conversion took less than 30 seconds. The combined time of both conversions took less than one minute total. Therefore, the "big job" you initially referred to is not really all that big, is it?
The resulting MP3 is what was "streamed" above and is what you heard.
Okay Ken... I'll be calling it a night soon (it's after 10:00PM in my part of the world). I'll post back tomorrow with everything else that you will need.
Take care,
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kbrowder
Joined: 01 Dec 2004 Posts: 21 Location: Cleveland, TN USA
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Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2004 11:45 am Post subject: Real Player |
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| Nunzio wrote: | Very good, Ken
I'm glad that I hit on what you wanted on the first go around.
(I also see that you forgot to log in above and posted as a Guest, but that's okay)
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Yeah, sorry. I took care of that so I will be logged in each time I visit.
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Now, it'll take a bit of time to explain exactly what I did and then to ZIP up the necessary files for you to download from my server. I don't really have the time for that this evening but I'll do so tomorrow and then reply back here when done.
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That is very fine, friend. I know you are busy. It is just great to be able to have help from someone so talented in coding.
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But there is one thing that bothered me that you mentioned in your very first post here, and I'd like to address that now. Please consider it friendly advice and nothing more. You stated this... | Quote: | | There will be REALAUDIO to play in the music room ( unless I decide to reencode the music fiiles to WMA or MP3 (big job). |
Ken, RealAudio is an absolutely horrible format for music (probably the worst). I think it's in your best interest to reencode the music files to MP3 (Lame). It's really not that big a job and I'll show you why right here.
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Yeah... I didn't really think that much about it because I use an RA alternate player that I found on the web. Still not the best sound but is sometimes adequate.
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Now, it did not take long at all for me to perform the file conversion. And I'm sure that you can hear the difference in sound quality. This conversion, although much better than the original .rm file, is still not ideal. What is ideal is to rip/ encode from the source CD directly to MP3 (Lame) format, providing of course that you have the source CD. In any event, I didn't and this is exactly what I did...
The resulting MP3 is what was "streamed" above and is what you heard.
Okay Ken... I'll be calling it a night soon (it's after 10:00PM in my part of the world). I'll post back tomorrow with everything else that you will need.
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I'm in Cleveland, Tennessee so same time zone.
I do hear the difference. I guess I didn't really realize that could be done in WinAMP. I've downloaded the new free version and have that as my default player here. Still learing about it though.
I am going to print out your instructions so I can remember them with my 2day memory. That is about as long as I can remember something any more.
Wish you could incorporate a "printer-friendly" thing in your forum, but you have plenty to do I'm certain.
Thanks again, my friend.
P.S. One other thing. Some of our users only have modem dial up with slow connections so I need to set the bitrate as low as possible and still have decent output.
Any suggestions on how to do this? _________________ Ken Browder, Editor - The SevenTimes Newsletter -
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Nunzio Site Admin

Joined: 08 Aug 2003 Posts: 90 Location: Tharsis Ridge (Martian lowlands)
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Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2004 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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Ken...
I have to make this fast. Just quickly checking in to say that I haven't forgotten about you but I haven't been able to set aside any time yet to show you what needs to be done or to answer any questions. I will reply with full details as soon as time permits.
Take care,
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kbrowder
Joined: 01 Dec 2004 Posts: 21 Location: Cleveland, TN USA
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Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2004 4:01 pm Post subject: Time |
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| Nunzio wrote: | Ken...
I have to make this fast. Just quickly checking in to say that I haven't forgotten about you but I haven't been able to set aside any time yet to show you what needs to be done or to answer any questions. I will reply with full details as soon as time permits.
Take care,
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No problem, friend.
Any help you can give is deeply appreciated.
THANK YOU! _________________ Ken Browder, Editor - The SevenTimes Newsletter -
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Nunzio Site Admin

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Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2004 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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Ken...
There are now 2 zip files sitting at my server. Download both files...- pulpit.zip
- playlists.zip
You had initially said that would like to NOT have to make separate pages for separate m3u files to stream the media if there is a way around it. Unfortunately, that cannot be done and still have individual tracks selectable via a clickable link within a menu (eg: the 2 dropdown menus within the Audio Pulpit Sermon List pop-up window). The only way that you can avoid creating separate .m3u playlist files for each individual sermon/ song/ track is if you created just one multi-streaming .m3u playlist file containing URL pointers to all tracks. But in that case a site visitor will only be able to listen to the tracks as they are auto-streamed in sequence, and can only advance/ skip through/ to the next track using the player "forward" button without being sure which sermon/ track is next in the list (same as the Multiple Track Streaming MP3 Working Example in my article). Of course this defeats the entire purpose of the site visitor being able to select individual tracks to be played (and not necessarily in sequence).
Anyway, after you have downloaded both zip files, you will need to unarchive (unzip) the files from within them using an unarchiving utility (eg: WinZip) and then upload those files to your server. The files within pulpit.zip need to be uploaded directly to your existing podium sub-directory at your server. You will need to create a new directory within that podium sub-directory and name it playlists. You will then upload the files that were un-acrchived from within playlists.zip into the new playlists sub-directory that you've created under the existing podium directory.
There are 6 files within pulpit.zip...- blank_stream.htm (the file that initially displays "All audio will stream here" before anything is selected)
- no_stream.htm (the file that displays "Nothing here yet" for those links that are currently dead links - eg: all Ronald L. Dart streams that are currently missing}
- pulpit.shtml (the page I created that replaces your existing pulpit.shtml page with one containing a link to the "sermon-select.htm" Sermon List pop-up window)
- sermon-select.htm (the file that is linked to in pulpit.shtml to be displayed within the pop-up window that contains the Sermon List)
- stream.htm (the page that displays "Audio Sermons From Various Speakers" selections within an iframe in the Sermon List)
- stream2.htm (the page that displays "Ronald L. Dart Reading Psalms 1 through 15" selections within an iframe in the Sermon List)
I referred to "iframes" in 5 and 6 above. If you are unfamiliar with iframes (inline frames) then learn more about them by reading some of these tutorials. You can also reference an article I wrote that deals with how I use iframes at my site as well, if you would like to.
There are 11 files within playlists.zip...- BibleProphecy.html
- BornAgain.html
- Christ'sMessage.html
- christsmission.html
- christsmission2.html
- healnt.html
- healot.html
- isthebiblehomophobic.html
- thetree.html
- thetree2.html
- wasjesusmarried.html
All above 11 files are pages I created that contain the Media Player object and embed controls that reference .m3u playlist files that you created and already exist within the podium sub-directory at your server. I named each .html page to reflect the same-named .m3u files that exist at your server. This was done to keep it simple and to avoid confusion. Each of the 11 .html files are linked to within stream.htm, which is displayed as the "Audio Sermons From Various Speakers" selections within an iframe in the sermon-select.htm Sermon List. I created no pages at all for stream2.htm, which is displayed as the "Ronald L. Dart Reading Psalms 1 through 15" selections within the other iframe in the sermon-select.htm Sermon List because you have not as of yet created .m3u playlist files for them and of course I had no reference point. Instead, I linked to no_stream.htm within stream2.htm for every Psalm (One through Fifteen) on that page. Therefore, no_stream.htm was really only created by me as a "temporary" page that I linked to as a "filler" until you create new .m3u playlist files and same-named corresponding .html files to replace each instance where it was used with working links.
So... if you need to add more sermons just create new .m3u files to reference other sermons added to either list, and create same-named corresponding .html pages to reference those newly added sermons (you can reference the source code any of the above 11 .html files as a "template"). Then reference those pages within either stream.htm or stream2.htm.
If you have any questions or if you run into any problems then feel free to post back here again.
Take care,
Nunzio _________________ Nunzio's Little Place On The Web
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kbrowder
Joined: 01 Dec 2004 Posts: 21 Location: Cleveland, TN USA
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Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2004 6:02 pm Post subject: streaming media jbox |
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Thanks very much, Nunzio!
I have downloaded the files and will be putting them up in the next day or so.
I do so appreciate you taking the time to help like this.
You are a jewel.
Your friend  _________________ Ken Browder, Editor - The SevenTimes Newsletter -
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kbrowder
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Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2004 7:01 pm Post subject: problems and typos |
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| Nunzio wrote: | Yer welcome
If you have any problems, post back again.
Take care,
Nunzio
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What's a few typos among friends. I have the new audio pulpit installed already. It works great except for the one that is Christ'sMessage and for some reason I can't get that one to play.
Ah well, 10 outa 11 ain't bad
I am assuming I will do the music room the same way?
Or do you know of any free jukeboxes where several selections could be made and then listen while surfing the site?
I saw some built in flash but I'm not familiar at all with that format.
I plan on redoing the .rm to .wav for the music room per your suggestions. That's on my todo list.
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Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2004 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Christ'sMessage and for some reason I can't get that one to play | I just downloaded the WMA file located at http://7times.org/podium/Christ'sMessage.wma and tested it in both Winamp and Windows Media Player. The file is totally corrupted and needs to be re-ripped/ re-encoded. | Quote: | | I am assuming I will do the music room the same way? | Yes. | Quote: | | Or do you know of any free jukeboxes where several selections could be made and then listen while surfing the site? | I try to never use / reference 3rd-party scripts whenever possible and try not to suggest it to others. So, other than the jukebox script that I created, I can't really point you to any others. | Quote: | | I saw some built in flash but I'm not familiar at all with that format. | Mt recommendation: Stay away from Flash if possible. | Quote: | | I plan on redoing the .rm to .wav for the music room per your suggestions. | Yes. I would definitely do so but after reencoding to WAV, do not upload the .wav file to your server. It'll sound great but take forever to load due to the HUGE size of wave files, especially for people with dial-up connections. Before uploading to the server, reencode to MP3 (Lame) as I had indicated in my earlier post and then reference/ stream the MP3. Do the same for the corrupted Christ'sMessage.wma file too, once an uncorrupted copy is reacquired. Of course you'll also have to point your Christ'sMessage.m3u file to the new MP3 instead of the corrupted WMA file. MP3 is much much better than the shabby and proprietary WMA format.
Take care,
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kbrowder
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Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2004 7:55 pm Post subject: corrupt file |
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| Nunzio wrote: | | Quote: | | Christ'sMessage and for some reason I can't get that one to play | I just downloaded the WMA file located at http://7times.org/podium/Christ'sMessage.wma and tested it in both Winamp and Windows Media Player. The file is totally corrupted and needs to be re-ripped/ re-encoded. | Quote: | | I am assuming I will do the music room the same way? | Yes. | Quote: | | Or do you know of any free jukeboxes where several selections could be made and then listen while surfing the site? | I try to never use / reference 3rd-party scripts whenever possible and try not to suggest it to others. So, other than the jukebox script that I created, I can't really point you to any others. | Quote: | | I saw some built in flash but I'm not familiar at all with that format. | Mt recommendation: Stay away from Flash if possible. | Quote: | | I plan on redoing the .rm to .wav for the music room per your suggestions. | Yes. I would definitely do so but after reencoding to WAV, do not upload the .wav file to your server. It'll sound great but take forever to load due to the HUGE size of wave files, especially for people with dial-up connections. Before uploading to the server, reencode to MP3 (Lame) as I had indicated in my earlier post and then reference/ stream the MP3. Do the same for the corrupted Christ'sMessage.wma file too, once an uncorrupted copy is reacquired. Of course you'll also have to point your Christ'sMessage.m3u file to the new MP3 instead of the corrupted WMA file. MP3 is much much better than the shabby and proprietary WMA format.
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